https://www.wikiworld.com/index.php?action=history&feed=atom&title=DearDiary.2003-01-30 DearDiary.2003-01-30 - Revision history 2026-05-06T14:08:48Z Revision history for this page on the wiki MediaWiki 1.45.1 https://www.wikiworld.com/index.php?title=DearDiary.2003-01-30&diff=1552&oldid=prev imported>Import: Imported current content 2026-01-28T11:54:25Z <p>Imported current content</p> <p><b>New page</b></p><div>I created a yahoo chat group, under Cultures &amp; Community, Groups; User Rooms, Collective intelligence.<br /> <br /> <br /> annihilant: collective intelligence?&lt;br&gt;<br /> jimscarver: we are many&lt;br&gt;<br /> annihilant: many what?&lt;br&gt;<br /> jimscarver: we share thoughts, and enrich the whole with our unique thoughts&lt;br&gt;<br /> annihilant: how is that&lt;br&gt;<br /> jimscarver: http://www.wikiworld.com/wiki/index.php/CollectiveIntelligence&lt;br&gt;<br /> jimscarver: http://www.wikiworld.com/wiki/index.php/NetworkTheory&lt;br&gt;<br /> jimscarver: what are you into?&lt;br&gt;<br /> annihilant: things...&lt;br&gt;<br /> annihilant: lol&lt;br&gt;<br /> annihilant: anarchy,&lt;br&gt;<br /> annihilant: and stuff&lt;br&gt;<br /> annihilant: i don&#039;t really understand this collective intelligence idea, or more or less the concept of eliminating unique thoughts<br /> jimscarver: wrong, capitalizing on unique throughts&lt;br&gt;<br /> jimscarver: eliminating unique thoughts is collective stupidity, mob rule.&lt;br&gt;<br /> annihilant: okay&lt;br&gt;<br /> annihilant: fine&lt;br&gt;<br /> annihilant: i don&#039;t get the point, what is the purpose behind this &quot;Collective Intelligence&quot;&lt;br&gt;<br /> jimscarver: populate the galaxy and beyong&lt;br&gt;<br /> jimscarver: beyond&lt;br&gt;<br /> annihilant: how many people call you a nut case do you think?&lt;br&gt;<br /> jimscarver: maximize human potential...&lt;br&gt;<br /> annihilant: no offense, i would say i&#039;m a nut case&lt;br&gt;<br /> jimscarver: many&lt;br&gt;<br /> annihilant: how do you intend to acomplish this idea of Collective Intelligence?&lt;br&gt;<br /> annihilant: do you mean something kind of in relation to the science fiction Borg charcters of Star Trek?&lt;br&gt;<br /> jimscarver: it exists.... we are learning how to facilitate it aty wikiworld.&lt;br&gt;<br /> jimscarver: no, borg lives for itself, we live for eachother&lt;br&gt;<br /> jimscarver: http://www.wikiworld.com/wiki/index.php/SocialContract&lt;br&gt;<br /> annihilant: okay, i still don&#039;t get it though, and you keep throwing these web pages at me, and i look at them, and there are words, and they are english, but they don&#039;t really say anything to me, i feel like i&#039;m reading Old English text while half asleep or something&lt;br&gt;<br /> jimscarver: it is recognition of the importance and value of each individual getnerating value through cooperative diversity.&lt;br&gt;<br /> jimscarver: gess that doesnt help....&lt;br&gt;<br /> annihilant: well it would&lt;br&gt;<br /> jimscarver: generating&lt;br&gt;<br /> annihilant: if i only knew why&lt;br&gt;<br /> annihilant: i don&#039;t see the point&lt;br&gt;<br /> jimscarver: so that we can each fulfill our dreams to the extent that we don&#039;t infringe on the fredoms of others,&lt;br&gt;<br /> jimscarver: and populate the galaxy and beyond&lt;br&gt;<br /> annihilant: from what i understand though, it sounds like one big socialogical experiment about group collaboration&lt;br&gt;<br /> jimscarver: everyone should have everything they want, if we continually create value, they will.&lt;br&gt;<br /> jimscarver: i suppose, there are varuos aspects....&lt;br&gt;<br /> jimscarver: on the science side, it is discovering how group problem solution can be better than the best individual solution rather than the lowest common denomonator.&lt;br&gt;<br /> jimscarver: you have a problem, WE have the answer&lt;br&gt;<br /> johnw602003 joined the room&lt;br&gt;<br /> jimscarver: that&#039;s the goal sort of...&lt;br&gt;<br /> annihilant: so everyone else is going to try to help me with my problems? I don&#039;t like that idea... other people telling me what&#039;s best... that right there would infringe on my beliefs if nothing else&lt;br&gt;<br /> johnw602003 left the room&lt;br&gt;<br /> jimscarver: only if you want help.&lt;br&gt;<br /> annihilant: i see&lt;br&gt;<br /> jimscarver: no one can tell anyone what to believe, beliefs are not chosen, they are felt.&lt;br&gt;<br /> jimscarver: it is accepting human nature, synergising when profitable to all, sustaining growth of the life organism.&lt;br&gt;<br /> annihilant: what about people who seem to need to feel dominance&lt;br&gt;<br /> annihilant: perhaps dictators are good examples&lt;br&gt;<br /> jimscarver: Bush and Saddam should both step down....&lt;br&gt;<br /> annihilant: yes, i think so too&lt;br&gt;<br /> annihilant: but they won&#039;t&lt;br&gt;<br /> annihilant: not from what i can tell&lt;br&gt;<br /> jimscarver: WE don&#039;t have to follow them, we are an international community free of any government.&lt;br&gt;<br /> annihilant: well... how are you defining government there&lt;br&gt;<br /> jimscarver: geographical authority. mobile beings are independent.&lt;br&gt;<br /> annihilant: so each person acts for themselves?&lt;br&gt;<br /> annihilant: completely&lt;br&gt;<br /> jimscarver: right&lt;br&gt;<br /> jimscarver: it is just, live and let live, plus many hands make light work when we want the same things.&lt;br&gt;<br /> jimscarver: http://www.wikiworld.com/wiki/index.php/MarsFrontier&lt;br&gt;<br /> annihilant: lol&lt;br&gt;<br /> annihilant: hmmmm&lt;br&gt;<br /> annihilant: i live under a current government, i cannot avoid it, or not follow them to some extent&lt;br&gt;<br /> jimscarver: thats why we need a http://www.wikiworld.com/wiki/index.php/DeclarationOfInterdependence&lt;br&gt;<br /> annihilant: you&#039;re really serious&lt;br&gt;<br /> jimscarver: yes.&lt;br&gt;<br /> annihilant: who are you that you speak so much of this?&lt;br&gt;<br /> jimscarver: hang on, brb, http://www.wikiworld.com/wiki/index.php/JimScarver&lt;br&gt;<br /> annihilant: k&lt;br&gt;<br /> jimscarver: I am a legion in my own mind&lt;br&gt;<br /> annihilant: okay&lt;br&gt;<br /> annihilant: what kind of problems would this group deal with?&lt;br&gt;<br /> cairo16uk joined the room&lt;br&gt;<br /> cairo16uk: yo&lt;br&gt;<br /> jimscarver: any... but win win win is the focus.&lt;br&gt;<br /> jimscarver: hi&lt;br&gt;<br /> annihilant: what does &quot;win win win&quot; mean?&lt;br&gt;<br /> cairo16uk: i dont know&lt;br&gt;<br /> jimscarver: http://www.wikiworld.com/wiki/index.php/WinWinWin&lt;br&gt;<br /> annihilant: oh&lt;br&gt;<br /> annihilant: lol&lt;br&gt;<br /> annihilant: write a book if you haven&#039;t yet&lt;br&gt;<br /> jimscarver: WE are I hope....&lt;br&gt;<br /> cairo16uk: i am in the process of writing one&lt;br&gt;<br /> annihilant: oh&lt;br&gt;<br /> jimscarver: what about cairo?&lt;br&gt;<br /> cairo16uk: oh its kind of a book for teens written by a teen&lt;br&gt;<br /> cairo16uk: but for the mature, intelligent, teen&lt;br&gt;<br /> cairo16uk: like me&lt;br&gt;<br /> jimscarver: i am by nature an information physicist, hoping to complete a book on that too.&lt;br&gt;<br /> cairo16uk: cool&lt;br&gt;<br /> annihilant: what kind of education do you have jim?&lt;br&gt;<br /> jimscarver: nice&lt;br&gt;<br /> cairo16uk left the room&lt;br&gt;<br /> jimscarver: only got my BS in computer science, when back to school after 3 kids, but taught grad and undergrad as adjunt at njit for 20 years.&lt;br&gt;<br /> annihilant: okay&lt;br&gt;<br /> annihilant: that&#039;s not what i expected&lt;br&gt;<br /> jimscarver: what did you expect?&lt;br&gt;<br /> annihilant: some sort of professor&lt;br&gt;<br /> annihilant: Phd&lt;br&gt;<br /> annihilant: things like that&lt;br&gt;<br /> jimscarver: i&#039;m lexdysic... can&#039;t spell, figured you thought i was a hillbilly&lt;br&gt;<br /> annihilant: lol&lt;br&gt;<br /> annihilant: how many people are in this &quot;Collective Intelligence&quot;&lt;br&gt;<br /> jimscarver: well, i was &quot;professor&quot; to my students.... need the cash from teaching, learned more teaching than taking the courses&lt;br&gt;<br /> jimscarver: 5 billion?&lt;br&gt;<br /> jimscarver: lol&lt;br&gt;<br /> annihilant: um...&lt;br&gt;<br /> annihilant: is that a joke?&lt;br&gt;<br /> annihilant: i don&#039;t get it&lt;br&gt;<br /> jimscarver: accourding to network theory, small pertibations have major effect on the system as a whole.&lt;br&gt;<br /> annihilant: um...&lt;br&gt;<br /> annihilant: lol&lt;br&gt;<br /> jimscarver: each person knows everyone within six links&lt;br&gt;<br /> annihilant: six links?&lt;br&gt;<br /> annihilant: pertibations?&lt;br&gt;<br /> annihilant: network theory?&lt;br&gt;<br /> annihilant: sorry&lt;br&gt;<br /> annihilant: i&#039;m really lost&lt;br&gt;<br /> jimscarver: so we are attempting to actualize the collective intelligence of the whole world&lt;br&gt;<br /> annihilant: attempting&lt;br&gt;<br /> annihilant: but how many people are in the organization currently&lt;br&gt;<br /> jimscarver: yes, 4 are very active, about 20 others i guess.&lt;br&gt;<br /> annihilant: what does it require to fall under the discription of &quot;very active&quot;&lt;br&gt;<br /> jimscarver: participation several times a week&lt;br&gt;<br /> annihilant: how do they participate?&lt;br&gt;<br /> jimscarver: editing pages at wikiworld mostly, asking questions, adding links, organizing, etc.&lt;br&gt;<br /> annihilant: i see&lt;br&gt;<br /> annihilant: how long has this all been around?&lt;br&gt;<br /> tranny (twodida) joined the room&lt;br&gt;<br /> jimscarver: wikiworld started in June, i wrote the declaration of interdepencence about 10 years ago.&lt;br&gt;<br /> jimscarver: what are you into tranny?&lt;br&gt;<br /> annihilant: what about publicity?&lt;br&gt;<br /> jimscarver: SEE, I was a hippy, you know, &quot;do your own thing, its grovey&quot;, etc.&lt;br&gt;<br /> annihilant: lol&lt;br&gt;<br /> annihilant: um..&lt;br&gt;<br /> jimscarver: I think we will get publicity when we are ready, at least on the internet&lt;br&gt;<br /> annihilant: okay&lt;br&gt;<br /> jimscarver: it is a matter of reaching a &quot;critical mass&quot; of participants.&lt;br&gt;<br /> annihilant: what do you plan to do then&lt;br&gt;<br /> jimscarver: like minded folks will find us sooner or later&lt;br&gt;<br /> jimscarver: populate the galaxy and beyond&lt;br&gt;<br /> annihilant: lol&lt;br&gt;<br /> annihilant: seriously&lt;br&gt;<br /> annihilant: you just plan to go live on mars or something&lt;br&gt;<br /> jimscarver: yes.&lt;br&gt;<br /> jimscarver: andromida&lt;br&gt;<br /> annihilant: andromida? sounds familiar, doesn&#039;t mean anything though&lt;br&gt;<br /> jimscarver: we will capitalize on the elimination of human suffering and the creatyion of value.&lt;br&gt;<br /> jimscarver: it is a not tooo far away galaxy.&lt;br&gt;<br /> annihilant: yea, if you like light years&lt;br&gt;<br /> annihilant: say you get there and it&#039;s gone&lt;br&gt;<br /> jimscarver: i like the outdoors, mars is indoors unless you have a pressure suit on...&lt;br&gt;<br /> jimscarver: it may take ten years or so to get there...&lt;br&gt;<br /> annihilant: ten years&lt;br&gt;<br /> annihilant: that&#039;s it&lt;br&gt;<br /> annihilant: that doesn&#039;t sound possibe&lt;br&gt;<br /> annihilant: possible&lt;br&gt;<br /> annihilant: *&lt;br&gt;<br /> jimscarver: at slightly more than one G acceleration, 10 years will do it.&lt;br&gt;<br /> annihilant: one G?&lt;br&gt;<br /> jimscarver: remember time slows down for the trveler.&lt;br&gt;<br /> jimscarver: traveler&lt;br&gt;<br /> annihilant: okay&lt;br&gt;<br /> annihilant: what about skateboarding?&lt;br&gt;<br /> jimscarver: there is no limit on how far you can go, but if you come back it will be the future...&lt;br&gt;<br /> annihilant: future?&lt;br&gt;<br /> annihilant: hmm, i suppose it would&lt;br&gt;<br /> annihilant: that&#039;d be intresting&lt;br&gt;<br /> jimscarver: my nephew is a skateboarding nut.&lt;br&gt;<br /> annihilant: lol&lt;br&gt;<br /> annihilant: i am too&lt;br&gt;<br /> jimscarver: he is 10 i think, but pretty good.&lt;br&gt;<br /> annihilant: so what do you want to talk about?&lt;br&gt;<br /> ayesanto joined the room&lt;br&gt;<br /> jimscarver: hi&lt;br&gt;<br /> jimscarver: actually I have to work&lt;br&gt;<br /> annihilant: oh&lt;br&gt;<br /> annihilant: well&lt;br&gt;<br /> annihilant: okay&lt;br&gt;<br /> annihilant: I have to be going anyway&lt;br&gt;<br /> annihilant: thank you for answering my questions&lt;br&gt;<br /> annihilant: take care&lt;br&gt;<br /> jimscarver: i am looking for people that want to do something grand and can benifit by joining the collective intellegence, at wikiworld, or anywhere...&lt;br&gt;<br /> annihilant: i&#039;m sure I&#039;ll find you again sometime and talk to you more&lt;br&gt;<br /> jimscarver: nice meeting you, enjoyed our talk...&lt;br&gt;<br /> annihilant left the room&lt;br&gt;<br /> <br /> ----<br /> Jim!! This is fantastic!! I have to mine this data for quotable material. :-) Thanks for this great stuff. The scariest thing about reading this was I didn&#039;t think you sounded nuts at all. That means of course that I must be nearly as nuts as you. They will find us. I just want to make sure that when they do they recognize us. --DavidSiegel<br /> ----<br /> So, Jim likes to [[Look To The Stars]], eh? :D ---StarPilot<br /> <br /> [[Category:DearDiary]]</div> imported>Import