https://www.wikiworld.com/index.php?action=history&feed=atom&title=DearDiary.2003-02-03 DearDiary.2003-02-03 - Revision history 2026-05-06T14:49:49Z Revision history for this page on the wiki MediaWiki 1.45.1 https://www.wikiworld.com/index.php?title=DearDiary.2003-02-03&diff=1556&oldid=prev imported>Import: Imported current content 2026-01-28T11:54:25Z <p>Imported current content</p> <p><b>New page</b></p><div>&lt;pre&gt;<br /> You are in &quot;Collective Intelligence:1&quot; ( http://WikiWorld.com Our Collective Intelligence manifest? )<br /> <br /> <br /> jimscarver: yim dies again<br /> <br /> David: whats wrong with yim?<br /> David: did you take a look at the section i put in the divide page?<br /> David: i think i got a bit passionate<br /> jimscarver: nice<br /> [[SirKnight]]2000 (sir_knight20002000) joined the room<br /> David: hello<br /> [[SirKnight]]2000: hello<br /> David: do you have any questions or reasons?<br /> jimscarver: ideas? or desires? sirknight?<br /> [[SirKnight]]2000: no. I just saw that the room was intelligence<br /> [[SirKnight]]2000: I thought sounds like me<br /> [[SirKnight]]2000: lol<br /> [[SirKnight]]2000: Highly intellegent<br /> jimscarver: lol<br /> jimscarver: we seek the collective intelligence<br /> jimscarver: still closer to the collective stupidity perhaps....<br /> [[SirKnight]]2000: but I got a low intellegent job. finding out must people I work with only have a high school education. with a kick ass attitude. which I find childish in nature. Instead of youing wisdom. lol<br /> [[SirKnight]]2000: no problem<br /> [[SirKnight]]2000: using wisdom<br /> David: elaborate on young wisdom<br /> [[SirKnight]]2000: no I meant young has meaning instead of saying using<br /> [[SirKnight]]2000: I meant using instead of saying young<br /> [[SirKnight]]2000: excuse the backwards thinking<br /> [[SirKnight]]2000: lol<br /> David: ah<br /> [[SirKnight]]2000: long day at work<br /> [[SirKnight]]2000: I let you get back to your room<br /> David: wisdom<br /> David: you are the reason for our room<br /> [[SirKnight]]2000: I have a greater mission. Help others find GOD<br /> David: ah<br /> [[SirKnight]]2000: so I see you later<br /> David: you should have been here a few mins ago<br /> David: we just finished a conversation about the meaning of life and god<br /> [[SirKnight]]2000: awesome. I like helping people. with ther bad days. Makes my day small<br /> [[SirKnight]]2000: I love it<br /> David: cool<br /> [[SirKnight]]2000: see ya later<br /> [[SirKnight]]2000: Take care and GOD speed on life and happiness<br /> David: ok<br /> David: you as well<br /> sir_knight20002000 left the room<br /> jimscarver: indeed, koom and david have a void to fill, and my void is overflowing<br /> David: lol<br /> David: type faster . . . lol<br /> David: he is looking for a good return on investment of his chat time<br /> David: two eager listeners are not as good as 20<br /> David: too bad that would have been interesting<br /> jimscarver: n8chz: Given that my physical education is limited to &quot;classical&quot; &quot;physics&quot; I had to check out [[PoesEureka]]<br /> jimscarver: my YIM died twice typing to invite you to the chat<br /> n8chz: As described by [[JimScarver]]<br /> n8chz: tanstaafl, I guess<br /> jimscarver: tanstaafl?<br /> n8chz: there ain&#039;t no such thing as a free lunch<br /> jimscarver: Poe [[GotIt]] I think.<br /> n8chz: Got what in particular? I&#039;m specifically curious as to what role attraction/repulsion forces play in his model<br /> n8chz joined the room<br /> David: welcom<br /> jimscarver: hi<br /> n8chz: o that chat<br /> jimscarver: in poes day they only knew about attaction and repultion<br /> jimscarver: things can attract or repel<br /> n8chz: inverse square law?<br /> jimscarver: is an effect of a 3 dimensional space<br /> n8chz: what things?<br /> n8chz: anything macroscopic?<br /> n8chz: anything, say, the size of a breadbox?<br /> jimscarver: now we know everthing is a manifestation of propogation of discrete state change information<br /> n8chz: statesolid, liquid, gas?<br /> jimscarver: space is created when electrons eclude one another. in effect defining space between them, causing what we call replusion.<br /> Yahoo Messenger: n8chz has declined to join and sent: Thanks, but no thanks.<br /> n8chz left the room<br /> n8chz joined the room<br /> jimscarver: space is created when electrons eclude one another. in effect defining space between them, causing what we call replusion<br /> jimscarver: exclude<br /> n8chz: no repulsion no space?<br /> jimscarver: right<br /> n8chz: spacethat which is between particles? or just electrons?<br /> jimscarver: (their light cones tilt away from eachother giving each a separate reference frame)<br /> n8chz: light cones?<br /> jimscarver: well, electrons are not the simplest stuff, but they are close, they have just two dimensions, they are not objects in the ordinary sence<br /> n8chz: electrons are 2 dimensional?<br /> jimscarver: (that was for koom benefit, we can get back to light cones if you want to go that far later)<br /> n8chz: if light cones are far, what is near?<br /> David: frame work to connect existing knowledge with new<br /> jimscarver: yes. the are defined 100% by just 2 variables, we call them spin and charge.<br /> n8chz: charge&lt;code&gt;-1? spin&lt;/code&gt;?<br /> n8chz: -e?<br /> n8chz: spin+/-1/2?<br /> jimscarver: whatever we call it is misleading, they are just values, charge is negative, spin is either up or down (left or right if you prefer)<br /> jimscarver: electrons of the same spin tend to create space, opposite spin tends to collaps space but fill limited states<br /> n8chz: Does this pertain to bonding and antibonding orbitals?<br /> jimscarver: indirectly<br /> David: electrons in themselves are not solid objects<br /> jimscarver: incomplete shells have readily avalable empty states<br /> David: they manifest solidity in aggregate<br /> n8chz: empty statesNV, UT?<br /> David: does the area between two mass of electrons have available empty states?<br /> n8chz: Oh empty statesoctet rule<br /> jimscarver: well, you can&#039;t ever really touch anything you call solid, as you get close, so many exclusion events make just enough space to keep you from touching.<br /> n8chz: solidity is the fact that the touch organ and the thing don&#039;t mix, no?<br /> jimscarver: not exactly octet, octet rule?<br /> n8chz: are there empty states in the noble elements?<br /> jimscarver: just electrons excluding eachother defining space between you and the object.<br /> n8chz: this electrons excluding each other is what makes for a crystal lattice?<br /> jimscarver: there are empty states in everthing above absolute zero which is everything.<br /> jimscarver: it keeps the atoms more of less separate in a chrystal<br /> n8chz: above zero temperaturenonzero velocity?<br /> n8chz: more velocitymore space?<br /> jimscarver: external state change is proportional to temperature<br /> jimscarver: yes, the hoter it is the more space it makes<br /> jimscarver: hotter<br /> David: is it possible to getit(informationPhysics) with out classical physics background or quantam<br /> jimscarver: the sun makes a solar wind of space that can blow you to the next star.<br /> n8chz: is it possible with classical physics backgrount?<br /> n8chz: the solar wind is photons in motion?<br /> jimscarver: well, create enough space between you and it that you are at the next start.<br /> jimscarver: the solar wind is space created by electron exclusion events<br /> n8chz: so there is repulsion between macroscopic objects?<br /> David: so this begs the question what are the mechanics of an electron exclusion event<br /> n8chz: is it a mistake to think solar wind is to photons as wind wind is to air molecules?<br /> jimscarver: when there is an exclusion event we say a photon when this way or that was depending on our perspective, but really, twhat happened, was electrons excluded eachother.<br /> jimscarver: not so much a mistake, but photons are state change information, not objects in the normal sence.<br /> n8chz: when electrons exclude each other, is there an increase in the amount of space there is?<br /> David: or is space conserved<br /> n8chz: or is space conserved?<br /> jimscarver: the mehanics are simple, space is defined between them.<br /> n8chz:<br /> n8chz: between the mechanics?<br /> David: lmao<br /> jimscarver: there is an increase, but the information about the state change is eventually lost, collapsing space manifesting attraction, gravity.<br /> n8chz: so for every space creation event there is exactly one space destruction event? sort of like humyn lives?<br /> David: i have nothing in my mind to hang this on<br /> n8chz: does &quot;eventually&quot; denote a quantity or not? does anything denote a quantity?<br /> jimscarver: eventually, but we seem to see a universe expanding without bound...<br /> n8chz: then these exclusion events outnumber loss of information events?<br /> jimscarver: the earth consumes 32 feet of space at its surface every second.<br /> n8chz: not cubic feet?<br /> jimscarver: most of the space it is collapsing was created billions of years ago, (below microwave)<br /> jimscarver: 32 feet, the volume is the area of the planet times 32<br /> jimscarver: i got a train to catch<br /> n8chz: 32 feet per square foot?<br /> n8chz: catch your train<br /> David: chatchya later<br /> n8chz: thank you for all the fish<br /> jimscarver: nice chatting L<br /> ----<br /> n8chz=LorraineLee<br /> &lt;/pre&gt;<br /> [[Category:DearDiary]]</div> imported>Import