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David_mjm: I'll have to take a closer look
jimscarver: has some user programability maybe.
David_mjm: hmmm . . .
David_mjm: I noticed one of the members is interested in [[ObjectWiki]]
David_mjm: looks like that little idea is going to be born with or without us
jimscarver: i don't see page history
jimscarver: objectwiki stuff edited 4 hours ago, clearly from wikiworld without reference
jimscarver: "ObjectWiki empowers [[WikiObjects]]? to be [[CollaborativeWebObjects]]? "
jimscarver: lots of good stuff their
David_mjm: I figured [[ObjectWiki]] was just a project name. And [[WikiObjects]] was a collection of [[CollaborativeWebObject]] classes.
David_mjm: cool
jimscarver: [[WikiTalk]] is the language
David_mjm: did you ever get to play around with [[HyperTalk]] in [[HyperCard]]?
jimscarver: i played a little, don't remember
David_mjm: the creators of Myst created [[ManHole]] all in [[HyperCard]]. [[ManHole]] was like a proof of concept for Myst
David_mjm: [[HyperCard]] got me jazzed on Object programming. . . though I don't think it supported user defined classes
jimscarver: Minsky did [[SocietyOfMind]] in hypercard i think
David_mjm: that was some cool stuff then came WWW
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jimscarver: wazzup
jimscarver: how many animals do you have?
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surkumdev1: hi
jimscarver: howdy stanger
jimscarver: did you check our Moowiki?
jimscarver: yesterday checked our http://research.salutia.com/tiki/tiki-custom_home.php
jimscarver: got it working, to a point on www.troop63cobras.com/tiki
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rabthegab2000: mmm
rabthegab2000: mm
rabthegab2000: mm
rabthegab2000: mmmmmm
rabthegab2000: quiet here
rabthegab2000: very quiet
rabthegab2000: bye
rabthegab2000: bte bte
rabthegab2000: bye
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surkumdev1: hi
surkumdev1: jim
jimscarver: hi
surkumdev1: what up?
jimscarver: had fire this am in statin island, view from office.
surkumdev1: oh
surkumdev1: what happened?
jimscarver:
jimscarver: http://synergy.xanthusinc.com/~jim/images/StatinIslandFire002.jpg
jimscarver: http://synergy.xanthusinc.com/~jim/images/StatinIslandFire003.jpg
jimscarver: looks like it is over...
jimscarver: refinery barge blew up
surkumdev1: that suvks
jimscarver: http://abclocal.go.com/images/wabc/images/fire7.jpg
surkumdev1: linked to terrorists?
jimscarver: static electricity they suspect
surkumdev1: ok
surkumdev1: what did it happen?
jimscarver: dont know
surkumdev1: hope that everyone is alright
jimscarver: One person was killed, one was injured and another was missing after an explosion on board a fuel barge triggered a gasoline fire near an oil storage facility on the edge of Staten Island Friday morning. The explosion could be heard from miles around and the fire sent black smoke and flames hundreds of feet into the air over New York Harbor.
surkumdev1: i feel sorry for them
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David_mjm: hey all
David_mjm: hey dos
David_mjm: oops
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David_mjm: hello
jimscarver: hiya
David_mjm: hey jim did they put out the belching flames?
jimscarver: nope, somebody did, no more smoke.
David_mjm: I took a quick look at nooWiki's knowledge mngmnt stuff
David_mjm: a lot of interesting connections there
jimscarver: yes, i was lookin at it too
David_mjm: could spend quite a long time delving into the links
surkumdev1: jim, did u look at my wave particle duality experiments?
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jimscarver: yes
surkumdev1: what did u think?
jimscarver: looked at the pics...
jimscarver: cool
surkumdev1: that's a probability wave
surkumdev1: that i created by repeating experiments many many times
jimscarver: i am impressed
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surkumdev1: ha
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jimscarver: i'm so sleepy
David_mjm: me too
David_mjm: i never managed to go to sleep last night
jimscarver: ug
jimscarver: insomnia?
David_mjm: well sorta
jimscarver: i had that after my breakup....
David_mjm: i just didnt feel like going to bed so i stayed up playing games
surkumdev1: sam here
surkumdev1: i did not get good sleep at all last nite
surkumdev1: and i am feeling a lit bit cranky
jimscarver: i was up explaining speed of light in a medium.
David_mjm: [[KooMar]] feeling cranky
jimscarver: did you read that kum?
jimscarver: 1:30 i went to bed though so i got 5 1/2 hours sleep
surkumdev1: i am looking for it
surkumdev1: well, where is it?
surkumdev1: i was watching animes last night
David_mjm: Samari Jack?
surkumdev1: no
surkumdev1: japanese anime ranma
jimscarver: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/InfoPhysics/message/210
surkumdev1: it's sort a really perverted but funny cartoon for kids for teenagers
surkumdev1: it's funny because they allow softcore nudity on children cartoons in japan
surkumdev1: 's primtime TV
David_mjm: hmm that is 'funny'
surkumdev1: that show i was watching ran 10 seasons in japan
jimscarver: join http://groups.yahoo.com/group/InfoPhysics/
David_mjm: wow
surkumdev1: that tells you something about japanese culture
surkumdev1: most japanese cartoons are perveted
surkumdev1: for example, dragon ball , dragon ball z
surkumdev1: and indians think that americans are too liberal in sexual matters
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skinnibum: hello?
David_mjm: ello
David_mjm: anything on your mind skinni?
skinnibum: not really
David_mjm: what cooks your noodle just before you fall asleep?
skinnibum: ive spent a whole day doing nothing and my brains shut down
David_mjm: ahh. . .
David_mjm: i can relate
skinnibum: a book before i sleep
David_mjm: is it thought provoking?
skinnibum: depends what im reading
skinnibum: how about you
skinnibum: anything to say?
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David_mjm: im back
David_mjm: hello um...
skinnibum: i missed you...
skinnibum: so im bored
skinnibum: spark some conversation
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jimscarver: <burp>
David_mjm belches loud and long
jimscarver: pig.
David_mjm: i need a new passtime
David_mjm: this work thing is getting old
David_mjm: all i wanna do is rock and roll <in grainy song voice>
David_mjm rests head on keyboard . . . just for a moment
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David_mjm wipes drool off of cheek
David_mjm: hugh? hu uuugh what happend?
jimscarver: lol
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jimscarver: [[WhiteyScar]] (6:10:32 PM): I'm reading fastfood nation
[[WhiteyScar]] (6:13:34 PM): business seems inherently dehumanizing whenever the $ becomes paramount
[[JimScarver]] (6:14:56 PM): industrial age artifacts hopefully...
[[WhiteyScar]] (6:15:40 PM): the $ cannot be the #1
surkumdev1: hi
jimscarver: gimme a dollar and i'll fix it
whiteyscar: what'd i miss?
whiteyscar: what's the topic?
jimscarver: speeling
jimscarver: sleeping
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David_mjm: lol
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surkumdev1: hi
whiteyscar: who is everybody?
jimscarver: thought we lost you kum...
jimscarver: we are.
surkumdev1: lost me?
jimscarver: you fell out of the room
surkumdev1: ha
surkumdev1:
surkumdev1: hi whitey
surkumdev1: u related to jim?
jimscarver: david and kum and you and i are the collective intelligence
whiteyscar: i'm jim jr,
jimscarver: my 3rd born
whiteyscar: sort of
whiteyscar: i'm "james"
David_mjm: on phone
whiteyscar: dad, feel like Bush is under control?
jimscarver: he lucked out and got a personality, from his mother
jimscarver: out of control, but controlled... balance of power and all.
whiteyscar: do you think that the anti-war Euro governments are anti-war for the right reasons?
whiteyscar: or are they just as self serving?
jimscarver: teaches, writes, sings, produces music
surkumdev1: ok
surkumdev1: cool james
surkumdev1: that's awesome that u write music
surkumdev1: i think i heard it
jimscarver: yep
whiteyscar: is it wrong that i want to make money of my writing?
jimscarver: i think they are anti us imperialistic action, a good reason.
whiteyscar: i am having a purpose-crisi in regard to writing songs
jimscarver: money is good, but don't be anal about the money side
whiteyscar: what do ya mean?
jimscarver: if you live for the music, you will make money
surkumdev1: james, i try to write music
surkumdev1: i do it randomly
jimscarver: if you live for the money you be a clanging symbol.
whiteyscar: i want it to free me so I can more fully devote myself to it
whiteyscar: how so "randomly"
whiteyscar: ?
surkumdev1: well, i create random beats
surkumdev1: create random tunes
whiteyscar: what programs do you like
whiteyscar: ?
surkumdev1: Reason
whiteyscar: cool
surkumdev1: and i filter out parts that seem harsh
whiteyscar: i've played with that a little, very powerful
surkumdev1: by ear
surkumdev1: http://www.wikiworld.com/KooMar/d.0%20kumi-O%20-%20%20kumster%20files%20-%20red%20song.mp3
surkumdev1: well, i do experiments
surkumdev1: like that
surkumdev1: http://www.wikiworld.com/KooMar/d.0%20kumi-O%20-%20kumster%20files%20-2%20track%20repeat-station.mp3
jimscarver: troop63cobras (6:14:43 PM): sorry I took so long , I had to go to the store to get crickets for the gecko.
troop63cobras (6:15:00 PM): he's almost as cool as you
surkumdev1: i do not know anything of music.
whiteyscar: beats sound good
surkumdev1: so, I do this sort of stuff, so that I can come up with AI algorithms for music
whiteyscar: I've done some hiphop and rap tracks but not really any dance yet
surkumdev1: but these are experiments done by hand
David_mjm: hey [[KooMar]] . . . you know more of musik than you might think
surkumdev1: yeah, thanks
whiteyscar: do you sequence them?
whiteyscar: with analog synths and a sampler
surkumdev1: well, i do not sample
surkumdev1: i just compose it from fudamental notes
whiteyscar: but the sampler carries the samples
surkumdev1: expect for the beats
surkumdev1: which are sampled from diffferent instruments
David_mjm: Whitey, Do you play an instrament as well?
surkumdev1: my dad claims that he has perfect pitch. His father was actually a drama performer
surkumdev1: who does tribal dances
surkumdev1: and stuff
whiteyscar: i play drums and guitar
surkumdev1: awesome
surkumdev1: that's so cool
whiteyscar: i sing mostly
surkumdev1: awesome
surkumdev1: singing is a lot of talent
whiteyscar: if you're good....
surkumdev1: me and my brother plan on making animes
surkumdev1: my brother can draw really really well.
surkumdev1: it's funny that my brother is good at everythin i cannot do
surkumdev1: i suck at strategy
surkumdev1: i cannot draw
surkumdev1: my bro can
whiteyscar: so will you write for animes?
surkumdev1: well, i want to
surkumdev1: the problem is my brother wants to do something else
surkumdev1: with his anime
whiteyscar: what?
surkumdev1: we disagree on what kind of superhero, we want to build
surkumdev1: it's for fun. I like to do different voices
surkumdev1: even though i am not good at it
whiteyscar: can it all be done with computers now, creating animes from start to finish
surkumdev1: yeah, we plan on using flash
surkumdev1: I think Macromedia Director is the one for it
surkumdev1: i want to do classical music, at some point with my friend victor
surkumdev1: he studied conducting and philsophy at Yale. Now he is really really depressed.
whiteyscar: no way
whiteyscar: WOW
whiteyscar: what's wrong with hiom?
surkumdev1: well, he is depressed because he didnt get into a better school
whiteyscar: conducting AND philosophy
whiteyscar: better than YALE?????
surkumdev1: yes
whiteyscar: or grad school?
whiteyscar: that is crazy
whiteyscar: he is crazy
surkumdev1: he went to the yale undegrad program. He even got into the Yale grad program
whiteyscar: what school was he hoping for?
surkumdev1: he hates not being a rhodes scholar
surkumdev1: because one of his friends is
surkumdev1: it's funny because he did his undegrad, in Rice University, Oxford, and Yale
surkumdev1: but he feels depressed
David_mjm: "Wealth is relative." ---StarPilot
whiteyscar: I went to ROWAN U and loved it
whiteyscar: i had maybe too much fun...
surkumdev1: brb
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David_mjm: Im in
David_mjm: is this your new Virtual Univerity Jim?
jimscarver: lol, i should have put my number there
jimscarver: [[WikiWorld]] University
David_mjm: cool
David_mjm: I'll be your adjuct assistent test grader
David_mjm: oops no tests
jimscarver: Qualify for a Bachelors, Masters, or Doctorate degree based on the experience and education you already have. Our prestigious non-accredited university takes into consideration your previous college work, work history and other relevant life experiences.
David_mjm: lol
David_mjm: prestegious non-accredited? does that = no value?
jimscarver: i am a hard ass though, no degrees in informaiton physics without doing science
jimscarver: yep
David_mjm: btw - What does doing science look like in an Information Physics lab
surkumdev1: at MIT, every year , they conduct this thing where students get a Bachelors, Master or Phd In charm
David_mjm: do you have bunsan burners and electron micrascopes <grin>
David_mjm feels like a smart ass today.
surkumdev1: btw james, i never graduated college. So, you are in a better position than me anyday
jimscarver: I like the [[AnimeWiki]]
jimscarver: http://www.wikiworld.com/wiki/index.php/AnimeWiki
jimscarver: we have "vitually" everything
surkumdev1: jim, it would interesting if someone could turn Wikiworld into a Turning machine
David_mjm: hmm . . i wonder what a choose your own adventure would look like in a wiki
surkumdev1: and do basically calculations like additipon, substraction, etc
David_mjm: that would be easy [[KooMar]]. . . you just need enough human agents to volunteer their time
jimscarver: is that what a [[WikiAdventure]] is? collaborative, anything anybody wants to add.
surkumdev1: well, wikiworld needs some simple features
David_mjm: any one could add entire story trees
surkumdev1: like calling other pages and extracting info from there
David_mjm: <wikiAdvture> the story would grow and evolve both as you read it and as you add to it
surkumdev1: yeah
surkumdev1: you could probably automate parts of the story
David_mjm: <wikiMachine>only if you want machine agents to do the work
David_mjm: <wikiAdventure> This must exist allready.
David_mjm: checking google
surkumdev1: what is wiki
surkumdev1: ?
whiteyscar: what ISN'T WIKI
whiteyscar: ?,,,
surkumdev1: what does it stand for?
David_mjm: "from a simple set of device very complex entities may emerge"
David_mjm: its hawian
surkumdev1: ah
David_mjm: i dont remember the meaning
David_mjm: it means something like "simple"
surkumdev1: oh ok
David_mjm: I want a machine agent to look at everything it type and constantly compare it to a google search then constantly list 10 web sites that are relevent to what i am typing
whiteyscar: nice
surkumdev1: jim, do u have any plans for automation?
jimscarver: me? he is james...
surkumdev1: yes
surkumdev1: jim, u
surkumdev1: wikiworld automation
jimscarver: [[ObjectWiki]]
jimscarver: visitor programmability
surkumdev1: oh
jimscarver: first class web objects
surkumdev1: http://www.tekzoned.com/spank/
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surkumdev1: hi jtuffie
jtuffie: Hi
surkumdev1: what up?
jtuffie: nuttin much what's goin on here?
jtuffie: I don't know what a wikiworld is
David_mjm: not much just planning the salvation of the world . . . wanna help?
surkumdev1: oh
jtuffie: You mean like in a religious way?
David_mjm: oh no
David_mjm: just in a very practical way
jtuffie: Then how?
David_mjm: give everyone the chance to live the good life
jtuffie: How do we do that?
David_mjm: what we sometimes refer (arrogantly) to as the American dream
whiteyscar: whoa, david sounds like jim
David_mjm: start small
David_mjm: one step at a time
jtuffie: I think I'm already livin the good life
David_mjm: one community at a time
surkumdev1: robbing from the rich and giving it to the poor
surkumdev1:
David_mjm: letting the poor get rich by giving them the chance to turn time, earth, and sun into really cool stuff
jimscarver: robbing the rich makes everybody poor
David_mjm: just think how much better you life could be if the whole planet could live the good life
surkumdev1: nobody would be happy then
David_mjm: no body would be happy if everyone lived the good life?
surkumdev1: yes
surkumdev1: because people always try to be better than everyone else
surkumdev1: if everyone has the good life, everybody would be irritated
David_mjm: what if everyone could have anything they could imagine
jimscarver: they can still try, but it is proven that wealth onver susstainanance make people unhappy, not happy.
David_mjm: the only way you could have better stuff than the next guy is to imagine better stuff
surkumdev1: huh?
jimscarver: every study shows weath is not an determinant of happiness.
jtuffie: I have riches and it has nothin to do with wealth
surkumdev1: i am not talking about wealth
surkumdev1: good life does not directly translate to wealth
David_mjm: i belive that as well. we create our happiness irregardless of the cool stuff we have
surkumdev1: being with a really hot girl would be good life
jtuffie: Make your self a little clearer
surkumdev1: being smarter than everyone would be good life too
jimscarver: everyone can have whatever they want as long as it does not restrict the freedoms of other or use an unfair amount of scarese resources.
jtuffie: I'm older and wiser and I really know what the good life is
surkumdev1: how old r ya?
David_mjm: maybe competition is inherent to our human condition
jimscarver: me too
jimscarver: so is cooperation though
surkumdev1: if do not mind me asking
jimscarver: i am 53
David_mjm: im a boyish 30
jtuffie: It takes a long time to know peace of mind is important
surkumdev1: that would good life too
surkumdev1: but progress of evolution depends on survival amid competition
jtuffie: Yeh, If your lookin at the big picture
jimscarver: we are moving to consious evolution
jimscarver: toward
jtuffie: I think this is a little heavy for me
jimscarver: success and survival will always still be the ultimate winners
David_mjm: cells learned to survive through cooperation
jtuffie: We can only change things one person at a time
jimscarver: check this out tuffy http://www.wikiworld.com/wiki/index.php/TheGoodLife
jimscarver: good point
David_mjm: if each of us effectivly use the power of interpersonal networks we can change the world for the good in our lifetime
jimscarver: fortuately, every person, every success story, is a [[WinWinWin]] for us all creating value in our society.
jtuffie: but each of us won't---maybe we will but each of those others won't
David_mjm: anyone will if properly inspired . . . granted that is a gigantic 'IF"
David_mjm: hence my quest for what motivates ppl
David_mjm:
jimscarver: WE can help enable them on their quest, individuals don't need their own networks, they need us
jtuffie: I guess something different motivates each of us
jtuffie: So, if we are kind to others that's our starting point
David_mjm: yes
David_mjm: i find ppl want to be heard
jtuffie: Hey, well, I'm doin my part
David_mjm: cool
David_mjm: what do you do?
jtuffie: I'm kind, I volunteer, I help others I guess I don't just think about myself
jtuffie: So many people think they are good people for all differnt reasons.
David_mjm: nice
jtuffie: But if you don't look beyond yourself how good are you?
David_mjm: i agreee
jtuffie: hey, am I shutting everyone up?
David_mjm: that can be one of the most rewarding diciplines even if it is hard at times
David_mjm: gets easier with practice i supose
David_mjm: brb
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David_mjm: found a wiki choose your own adventure
David_mjm: apparently it didnt work out so good
whiteyscar: I'm out the door to hang w/friends
whiteyscar: goodnight everybody
David_mjm: see ya round
David_mjm: http://community.nbtsc.org/wiki/TheStoryProject
jimscarver: c u
David_mjm: there trully is nothing new under the sun
David_mjm: so who has developed the machine agent that will look over my shoulder at everthing i type and dynamically give me 10 internet sites with simaler material
David_mjm: symantec web
David_mjm: that will be so cool
David_mjm: must run now
David_mjm: see yall round in near future
David_mjm: bye
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jimscarver: yo
jimscarver: kum?
surkumdev1: sorry, i was watchin TV
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