DavidSiegelThoughtStream
The following represents a ThoughtStream of DavidSiegel. Consider it a temporary workbench for ideas. These ideas will either be discarded, added to other existing pages or form the basis of a new page. All are welcome to add to, refine, question, or comment on anything here. CategoryThoughtStream
====2005.08.25
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We need a PlayGround methinks.
====2004.12.22
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Does anyone else wonder about ClimateCollapse or ImminentClimateCollapse? Do we have our head in the sand?
====01.29.2003
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====Question: Is the PhpWiki code Open Source? If so how do I get a copy of it? Who do I ask?
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'Note to self:' Be sure to ask Google before bothering a person. 'Or click PhpWiki :)'
====01.17.2003
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I found an interesting article in Info World highlighting Ray Ozzie. Apparently he is putting some thought and effort into collaboration facilitation. His company, Groove, develops highly secure collaboration software. He has started a blog at [1] that might be interesting.
- LL|What is the opinion of WikiWorldPeople on the subject of HighlyInsecureCollaboration?
Key points from article
- "A successful platform is fractal in nature. You can build something unintended out of the piece parts."
- (in a collaborative environment) "Mutual selfish behavior yields a greater-good outcome."
'LL|Yes but it also yields exclusivity. What is the opinion of WikiWorldPeople on the subject of MutualUnselfishBehavior?
Info World Jan 6, 2003 Issue 1
====01.17.2003
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===Question: How does a CollectiveIntelligence store long term memories?
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LL|Typical forms of long term memory for a PubWan.
- Filing archives
- Technology for receiving donations of long term memories of anyone
- Massively redundant storage through copyleftism.
Typical forms of long term memory for a company.
- Filing archives
- Long term memories of employees
- Machine storage (hard drive, magnetic tape)
===Question: How does a CollectiveIntelligence learn from its experience?
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====Thoughts on Individual Learning
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When I am in the process of learning something new, I seem to review what I already know more frequently. I also review the new material frequently. It seems that I am making connections between the new information and existing knowledge. More than that, I am coding the new information using words that already make sense. In a sense I am creating new words in my mind by putting together existing words in new ways. I know when I understand something because I can describe it in a few meaningful statements. The process of teaching something to another involves taking those few statements and expanding each concept until you reach a common set of terms.
===LL|Implement WikiRiculum
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Once something is learned it may become but one word in a new statement linked to several other statements that form a new concept. This linking and networking of concepts becomes easier when each concept is solidified within itself.
====Ramifications for the CollectiveIntelligence
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Try the [[ http://www.kartoo.com/%7CKartoo Search Engine|]] and enter Collective Intelligence as a search. I would like to see the algorithm behind this one. I bet it is something fairly basic.
- Possibly some kind of SpatialModeling or SpringEmbedding algorithm? I| love kartoo====
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<NewIdea>If we consider the biosphere we call Earth to be a closed system with a constant input of energy from the sun.
Skill + Time + Earth + Sun = Value
- Earth
- Sun: 99.9% of the energy that is added to Earth comes from the sun. Weather, oil, hydroelectric (byproduct of weather), coal
- Skill <AddMore>
- Time <AddMore>
- Labor = Skill + Time
- Natural Resources = Sun + Earth + Skill
- Oil = Earth + Sun + Skill + Time
Oil has value based on two things; It took a lot of plants a long time to make it and most of the processes, skills, tools WE have developed require it. It is probably one of the least efficient ways to utilize the Sun’s energy even if it has become, for the moment, the most commercially available.
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<NewIdea>Thought experiment: Take a population of unskilled, and underemployed workers and give them one skill that they can easily apply toward creating value. Step back and watch that population thrive. This experiment assumes many basic and difficult to create conditions. All the new value created goes back into the population. The population is confident that all the new value created will come back to them for the foreseeable future.</NewIdea>
- LL|Implement CivilianInstituteOfTechnology
<NewIdea>For a long time I||DavidSiegel thought that money is simply a store of time and when we buy something we are trading my time for your time. Then [[I|]] realized that I wouldn’t trade the time I spend working on a complex algorithm for equal amounts of the time you spend watching TV. When I use my time to apply a skill to create something that has value to someone else they will pay me money.
In the hunter/gather days, WE spent most of our time trying to survive. Then WE began to discover methods, tools, and skills that made it easier to survive. WE began to apply more time to discovering better methods, tools, and skills. WE then began to apply our time toward the processes by which we discover better tools, methods and skills. In short WE spend less time trying to survive and more time in the pursuit of TheGoodLife. The more skilled one is the more that one adds to the system. Skill could be considered value per hour potential.</NewIdea>
Welcome DS==== A kindrid spirit to an emerging WE who shares the vision and the obsession at home in this place after a long journey though cyber space. Happy day! WE have been waiting for you. -- WE
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- DS - I feel very welcome and have made myself welcome. The description of WE fit so well into the concept that came to me only a handful of weeks ago. I realized that the closer I examined each ramification of what I had discovered the more complicated it became, like some fractal intelligence that I couldn't quite get my mind around. Then I realized that 'there is nothing new under the sun' and began searching for those who had made the same connections and possibly began coming to some of the same conclusions.
- DS - I have done some high-level research into the Singularity and realized if this thing is even possible then it is nearly inevitable. Then I decided I want to be part of it in some way. So I asked myself how could I possibly make a difference? Then I realized there must be many other people in a similar situation as myself. That is not having any specialized skills that would put me in the forefront of any of the major branches of research and thinking there might not be enough time to aquire those skills. Then I thought why not recruit some of this raw thought power and harness it. Then I thought of course this too is not a new thought; who else is already working toward that and how can I help? Now I am here. I wonder if there is a basic algorithm that could explain why I found WikiWorld.
LorraineLeeThe LL| thing appears to be the one described by Vernor Vinge, who, like apparent WikiWorldPublicOpinion, comes with a lot of "neoliberal" strings attached that my "postprietary" &^% finds spooky and almost cultish in a Primerica sort of way. Nevertheless, I find the concept so damn appealing that I sure as ^%* hope the ScholarlyWay beats the ProprietaryWay to this one.
<NewIdea>New thoughts should have inspiration(s) thoughts. Thoughts that generate more thoughts should appear high on the conscious level of other thought agents. Thoughts that originate with trusted or valuable thought agents should appear higher on the conscious level of other thought agents. The trust or value level of thought agents should improve when they originate thoughts that inspire other thoughts. It should improve more when they inspire thoughts by other valued or trusted thought agents. Thoughts that do not generate interest should eventually be either removed, archived, or included in summary statements of other thought agents.</NewIdea>
- I| speak only for myself, but I trust most those who don't seem to be trying to sell me something.
<NewIdea>Develop a conceptual framework for a massively parallel, distributed, operating system that integrates machine agents and human agents. The platform will be humans using desktop PC’s connected by the Internet. Project is constrained to implementing solutions based on current or imminently available hardware. </NewIdea>
<NewIdea>What if we took an inventory of the top three minds in each of the major fields of research and started recording raw text of every idea that passed through their minds? We could then codify their thoughts into a semantic structure that could be more accessible to other intelligent agents. These codified thoughts could be stored in machine memory until intelligent agents, either human, machine or some synthesis of the two, were ready to use these thoughts to create new ideas.
The process of codification might fundamentally distort or lose information. This might be analogous to converting the analogue sound of a saxophone to a digital recording media and then back analogue through the speakers of a home entertainment system.
Intelligent agents would be needed for several things including summarizing similar thoughts or ideas into a complete whole, ordering new discoveries or ideas across multiple spectrums. </NewIdea>
<NewIdea> The agent remembers conscious thought.
Use history in Internet browser to keep a memory of conscious thought. How could this be archived, stored then later retrieved by an intelligent agent that could then make suggestions on how to link that information to what I am viewing/thinking right now? A smart browser would have a database of the things that passed through my screen (conscious thought) and could scan that database and compare it against what is passing through my screen right now. It would then offer a list of previous thoughts summarized that could be linked to, synthesized with what is happening on the screen right now.
<aside>A fairly sophisticated machine based agent would probably be required for this to work in real time. Similar functionality could be achieved if current levels of machine intelligence were integrated with a large team of human minds. This kind of synthesis would be hard pressed to produce these results in real time. </aside></NewIdea> Question: Is it possible that we humans are but ‘conscious’ agents of a larger super consciousness? The meta consciousness need not be smarter by definition. It only needs to be aware of itself.
I think that is highly possible and believe WE ARE. -- JimScarver
Sources of inspiration:
Memematics: The study of how idea complexes can replicate and spread. Uses the virus paradigm. Memes include algorithms that allow it to spread. Memes have algorithms that allow them to improve themselves.
Library: Using human components to create an algorithm machine. Internet: AI Singularity: An intelligence that can improve its intelligence quantitatively and qualitatively will in a short time become a transhuman power. Intelligence arises from complexity.
Basic Outline What if all (a greater portion of) ‘idle’ human cognitive activity could be captured, stored, indexed and represented. What if we could remove (more of) the barriers that separate human cognitive processes from each other. Humans have been moving in these directions since they walked out of the goo.
WikiWorld appears to be a next iteration of something that I have observed happening throughout history. Now we are beginning to recognize it and consciously refine it. I don’t think I can exaggerate how truly great a project WikiWorld seems to be.
DS: I am exploring the work others of done in the area of collaboration. I am trying to discover whether or not a vision I have has been implemented in some form on the Internet. If it has, I want to add my resources to it. In short, I wish to better the world in significant ways. The best way I can think of to accomplish that goal is to add my mind to a like minded community. The community I am looking for has developed and is developing a system of mind collaboration that makes sharing ideas simple and easy.
I am sure there is a much more elegant way to say all of this but I seem to lack the language. Since I have located WikiWorld I feel like I am getting close. Someone here must know someone who knows someone that has implemented such a system. So I will submit as many of my ideas as I can in the hopes that the someone who knows someone will stumble upon me and bring me to that community. Of course I am not ruling out the possibility that this community will evolve and grow into what I am looking for. I got somewhat long winded. I hope this helps. --DavidSiegel
The community I'm looking for will try to develop a system of mind collaboration that makes sharing empirical observations simple, easy and free as in beer. I call it PubWan, but you can call it corn.
I too have felt close to some InterestConvergence since locating WikiWorld. They seem to take an interest in the BigQuestions, which is refreshing. The recent addition of DavidSiegel to the contributors has sped up traffic to a point that's getting interesting. My first impression of the WikiWorld was that it was one family or circle of friends or something but they seem quite hospitable. Happy posting====